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 | wigglybridge
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 82 Vermont 
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2003-11-15 68838
Dealer just called, the 4110 Gear I've been waiting 2 months for is in, should be here on Wednesday.
Its first task is to help build its own barn... including moving some fill and leveling the site. As part of the fill I want to use some pretty large rocks. Some of them are certainly too big for a 4110/410. So my question is: How do I tell???
They range in size from, say, 2x1x1 up to 6x2x1 (feet).
Oh, right, what I'm getting: tractor, 410 loader, 3pt snowblower, 5' rear blade. I'm planning to get the EZweights for it instead of loading the tires. Many, many thanks to everyone here for the lengthy eavesdropping I did before deciding all of this!
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 | harvey
Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1550 Moravia, NY 
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2003-11-15 68844
The ROCK IS TOO BIG IF YOU CAN NOT MOVE IT! You will be very suprised at how big a rock you can move if you use some thought as you go about it.
I had found a BIG MUTHUR up in back of boys house in the woods. Only about 8-10" sticking out of ground and then over 3' dia. I used box scraper to dig around it and tried to no avail to move it out of its resting place. I had to get my old Farmall M and pick up one side just enought with little JD to get a chain started uder it. Between the 2 tractors we got it out. I could just barely budge it with JD. We trused it up in chains and pulled with M and pushed with JD and Got it to the house .5 mi. It now rests in the front of the house set up on its side/end.
The litte JD would move it ok on hard ground with box blade and getting some weight onto tractor to position it.
Good luck and don't break nutin. ....
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 | blizzard
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 282 Central Maine
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2003-11-15 68854
Wiggly,
I'm guessing a 6' by 2' by 1' rounded rock would weigh around 1100 pounds. Not too bad, but you may have trouble getting it in the bucket. Weight foreward of the bucket is hard on the loader and can quickly cause an 'unstable situation'.
The rock in my pictures 7-9 is 54X34X24 inches (est.2100#) and I had to slide it along. I agree with harvey that you can move some impressive weight, with a CUT, but sometimes you have to be a little fussy getting things positioned just right.
Sounds like you have a lot of work to do before freeze-up, but give your tractor some break-in time before you use it to its limits.
Good luck with your new tractor and equipment,
bliz
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 | F350Lawman
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 411 Goshen, NY
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2003-11-15 68872
I think your tractor will pull a 1000lbs. rock with a good chain.
See photo # 10 for a 1000+lb. rock I dragged with little problem. I don't see why your tractor won't pull a slighty smaller rock with a little more effort. ....
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 | TomG
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5406 Upper Ottawa Valley 
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2003-11-16 68887
I've lifted a few my bucket wouldn't lift by rigging a chain sling and running chain through the loader arm pipe. That way the load is closer to the axles and there's less leverage. However, the stone is closer to the tractor and can easily bash the grill as it comes off the ground or when swinging around during transport. Lot of care and a grill guard is a good idea. Trying to lift something heavy and too big to fit in the bucket by a single chain over the centre of the bucket often bends them.
I'd probably drag them rather them lift them myself if I didn't mind the ground being torn up a bit. I've levered up the sides of things with the bucket curl enough to run a chain underneath. The curl has more power than the lift. Just don't every get your hands underneath. A choker with a slip hook or a grab hook loop may work best depending on size and shape. I use grade-70 transport chain and I also have a 1/2" cable choker. I drag only from the drawbar and I attach the chain through the loop of a 1" clevis that fits in a drawbar hole.
It hasn't come up for me but if I couldn't drag a load I might think about making an old-fashion stone boat. ....
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 | Murf
Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7249 Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada
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2003-11-17 68962
In the purest application of Murphy's Law (trust me one this one) a rock will be absolutely in an inverse proportion to the equipment you have on hand to deal with it.
That is to say, the smaller the machine is, the bigger the rock will be.
Tom makes a very good point about bringing the load in closer to pick up more also.
I have seen lots of farmers who have made a 'rock buggy', usually a VERY stout axle and wheels with a long tongue and a small arch, very much like a logging frame. The leverage from the long tongue to the short arch gives tremendous lifting power, likewise a pulley at the top of the arch, and a cable through a second pulley at the hitch can be pulled upwards by the 3pth to pickup a big rock for transport. A good chain hooked into a basket will carry a good sized rock with little effort on your part.
The other common technique is to just dig a BIG hole right next to the offending rock and just topple it over into the deeper hole and cover it over. That's called the 'ignorance is bliss' method.
Best of luck. ....
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